PM Modi's podcast with Lex Fridman: Opens up about role of RSS, Gujarat riots, Indo-Pak ties and more (WATCH)
PM Modi in a 3-hour-long podcast with US-based podcaster and AI researcher Lex Fridman talked about fasting, his early life, RSS, geopolitics, AI, and leadership. He reflected on his spiritual journey, India’s growth, global affairs, and the power of discipline.
FollowPrime Minister Narendra Modi's much-anticipated podcast with MIT scientist and AI researcher Lex Fridman was released on Sunday. The in-depth discussion, spanning over three hours, covered a wide range of topics — from fasting and PM Modi's early life to global geopolitics, artificial intelligence, and his leadership philosophy. PM Modi also reflected on hi spiritual journey in the Himalayas, 2002 Gujarat riots, influence of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), and Hindu nationalism.
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Lex Fridman began by revealing that he had fasted for 45 hours before the interview, consuming only water as a tribute to the occasion. In response, PM Modi shared his perspective on fasting, explaining that it is more than just abstaining from food—it is a scientific process that enhances mental clarity, sharpens the senses, and instills discipline. He elaborated on how fasting has been an integral part of Indian traditions and Ayurvedic practices, and how proper hydration before a fast helps in body detoxification.
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A humble childhood & lessons in resilience
PM Modi reflected on his humble beginnings, emphasizing that despite growing up in poverty, he never felt its weight. He recounted childhood anecdotes, including how he treasured a pair of white canvas shoes gifted by his uncle, keeping them polished using discarded chalk from school. He credited his upbringing for instilling resilience, gratitude, and a deep-rooted connection to India’s cultural heritage.
Encouraging young people to embrace challenges, Modi highlighted the importance of hard work, self-discipline, and curiosity. He underscored that success is not about comfort but about navigating hardships with determination and a positive mindset.
Spiritual journey in the Himalayas
PM Modi shared insights into his spiritual journey in the Himalayas, a phase of life that shaped his outlook. He recalled how he spent time in solitude, learning from ascetics and engaging in deep contemplation. His experiences in the mountains, he said, taught him the power of inner strength, self-discovery, and the importance of serving others.
PM Modi also touched upon his early aspirations of becoming a monk. He expressed how his interactions with sages and spiritual seekers helped him find a greater purpose in life, ultimately leading him to public service rather than renouncing the world.
Influence of RSS and Hindu nationalism
Discussing his association with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), PM Modi described it as his ‘saubhagya’ (privilege) to be part of the organization. He recounted how as a child, he was drawn to the patriotic songs sung at RSS shakhas, which deeply moved him. He praised the RSS for its large-scale social work in education and healthcare. Highlighting its labor union’s motto, he noted, “Leftist unions say ‘Workers of the world, unite,’ but the RSS-affiliated union says 'Workers, unite the world'.
Explaining India’s essence
PM Modi then delved into India’s diverse cultural and spiritual landscape, emphasizing how its ancient traditions seamlessly coexist with modern advancements. He reiterated that India is a civilization that has always welcomed different ideas and philosophies, making it a unique and vibrant democracy.
Mahatma Gandhi’s influence
Prime Minister Narendra Modi spoke about Mahatma Gandhi’s extraordinary ability to turn India’s freedom struggle into a Jan Andolan (mass movement) by harnessing the power of Jan Shakti (people’s strength). He emphasized that Gandhi’s approach continues to inspire his governance, where he strives to make every initiative a collective effort driven by Jan Bhagidari (public participation).
Geopolitics: Ukraine, Pakistan & China
Discussing the Russia-Ukraine war, Modi advocated for diplomacy and peaceful resolution. On India-Pakistan relations, he recalled inviting Pakistan’s leadership for his swearing-in ceremony to foster better ties. However, he lamented that every attempt at peace has been met with hostility. “We sincerely hope wisdom prevails upon Pakistan and they choose the path of peace,” he said, adding that even the people of Pakistan long for stability.
Regarding China, PM Modi spoke about India’s evolving approach to its northern neighbor, emphasizing the importance of mutual respect and peaceful coexistence.
2002 Gujarat riots & leadership
PM addressed the discourse surrounding the 2002 Gujarat riots, calling it a deliberate attempt to build a false narrative. He pointed out that before 2002, Gujarat had witnessed over 250 riots, with communal violence being a recurring issue.
Highlighting the security challenges of that period, Modi recalled major incidents like the Kandahar hijacking in 1999, the Red Fort attack in 2000, and the Parliament attack in 2001. He emphasized that the early 2000s were marked by rising global terrorism, making security a pressing concern for India.
PM Modi credited his administration’s governance model for ensuring lasting peace in Gujarat, stating that since 2002, the state has not witnessed a single major riot. He countered the perception that the 2002 riots were Gujarat’s worst, calling it misinformation. “The reality is that Gujarat had experienced severe communal clashes before, but those incidents never made international headlines the way 2002 did,” he remarked.
He also spoke about the sustained efforts to tarnish his image, accusing political opponents and certain media sections of spreading falsehoods. “There was a systematic attempt to mislead people, but in the end, justice prevailed, and the courts cleared my name,” Modi asserted.
Cricket, Football & Donald Trump
The conversation took a lighthearted turn when Modi spoke about his interest in sports. He also shared insights on global politics, including his interactions with US President Donald Trump, highlighting their candid exchanges and mutual respect.
Power, decision-making & hard work
Modi explained his approach to leadership, stating that power should be viewed as a tool for service rather than personal gain. He discussed his decision-making process, emphasizing data-driven strategies and a commitment to long-term national development. He attributed his work ethic to his early life experiences, noting that he remains energized even in the face of long hours and challenges.
Artificial Intelligence & education
PM Modi expressed optimism about AI, calling it a transformative force that can drive innovation across sectors. He advocated for responsible AI development while ensuring ethical considerations. He also stressed the need for reforming India’s education system to promote critical thinking and skill-based learning.
Meditation & Mantra for Life
Reflecting on personal well-being, PM Modi spoke about the role of meditation in maintaining focus and inner peace. He encouraged people to find their own form of meditation, emphasizing that self-discipline and mindfulness can enhance productivity and mental clarity.
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Lex Fridman's visit to India
Concluding the conversation, Modi extended an invitation to Lex Fridman to visit India and experience its diverse culture firsthand. Fridman expressed his admiration for India and shared his excitement about exploring the country.
PM Modi’s interview with Lex Fridman offered a rare and intimate glimpse into his personal journey, philosophy, and vision for India. The discussion seamlessly blended spirituality, governance, and technology, providing deep insights into the mind of one of the world's most influential leaders.
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